2 comments

  • john_strinlai 1 hour ago
    it seems crazy to me to steal a famous painting from a museum. the number of people willing to purchase a black market painting worth ~$millions is probably like a dozen, and the transaction would be super high risk. so many easier crimes to commit.
    • dennyabraham 36 minutes ago
      The numbers are higher than you'd expect. The trade in illegal (and so high rarity and limited access) goods is ongoing and flourishing via the use of third party intermediaries like free port systems [1] as well as networks of morally grey curatorial and preservation staff. Several notable archaeological "missing links" of the past few years came from said staff mediating access to private collections of undescribed provenance.

      [1] https://www.theartnewspaper.com/2015/07/01/experts-identify-...

    • tonyedgecombe 1 hour ago
      For a while members of the mafia we’re stealing them to trade against their sentence if they got caught for some other crime.
      • dofm 22 minutes ago
        Or, since it’s a Renoir, maybe they were planning to distribute them as punishment.

        “Thought you were going up in the world, did you Salvo? Oh no, no Armand Guillaumin for you. The boss ain’t pleased and he wants you to know about it. One more screwup and you’ll end up with a face like that”

        • john_strinlai 19 minutes ago
          i saw your other comment, and now this one. i dont really know much about art, and i'd love for you to help me understand your apparent disdain for renoir
          • dofm 14 minutes ago
            • jerf 10 minutes ago
              Ah, the classic "picture is worth a thousand words" move. Well played.
            • john_strinlai 5 minutes ago
              i did not know they did yaoi hands in 1800s france. point taken.
          • Cpoll 11 minutes ago
            Renoir's kind of "pop" as far as Impressionists go. Laypeople like him because his work is easy to look at, but trained artists can find a lot to fault in his technique and composition. He was also kind of an asshole.
      • SoftTalker 37 minutes ago
        Admit to additional crimes in exchange for a lighter sentence? How does that work?
        • dh2022 4 minutes ago
          Plea bargaining. Green river serial killer admitted to more killings (and cooperated to recover some of his victim’s bodies) in exchange for avoiding the death penalty : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Ridgway#Plea_bargain,_con...
        • DASD 32 minutes ago
          Crime gravity. If able to provide the solution to a crime that is considered more serious(or of greater value to the prosecuting entity's purview).
        • goodcanadian 32 minutes ago
          I doubt they admit to anything, but having some information that helps lead to the recovery of a valuable item could be worth something. To be honest, this is the first I have heard of the practice, but it sounds plausible to me.
    • pelagicAustral 26 minutes ago
      I would've thought thats what crypto was meant for.
    • embedding-shape 30 minutes ago
      > the number of people willing to purchase a black market painting worth ~$millions is probably like a dozen

      Right, but what about your local brick dealer who has 10-50K to waste on whatever? Definitely way more common and easier than you think to unload these sort of things, once you go down in price a lot because of the circumstances.

    • ericmay 28 minutes ago
      There are some “criminals” and criminal gangs and such, but I think the increase we have seen is due to Russia, Iran, and others who are giving extra resources and intelligence to some of these groups to deprive western institutions of their cultural heritage as part of the “hybrid war”.

      Notice how things aren’t being stolen at this magnitude in China? Japan? If we’re Russian or Iranian for example I think this would be a great strategy if you view yourself at a civilizational war. Most of Europe is still asleep or in denial.

      • gvfsa 23 minutes ago
        I know posting deranged tirades about the supernatural powers of Russia is HN’s favourite pastime but this goes way too far.
  • dofm 1 hour ago
    You mean they didn’t brick it back up when they discovered it was a Renoir?

    Missed opportunity IMO. It was where it belongs.

    You know how Anthropic has banned being cruel to its models? I wonder if the definition includes asking it to generate images in the style of Renoir…

    https://www.instagram.com/renoir_sucks_at_painting/

    https://news.artnet.com/art-world/art-bites-renoir-sucks-mov...

    (ETA: Flagged, haha really? Come on. It’s a well-known running joke.)

    • ericmay 39 minutes ago
      What are you talking about? Those are some of the best paintings ever created. Anyone trying to tell you different is probably a fascist or communist. Both authoritarian and hate-filled ideologies that have no place in modern or future societies.
      • dofm 33 minutes ago
        Fascists, communists, art critics, and people who can actually paint women’s faces.

        (It’s a joke. Like Birds Aren’t Real)

        • ericmay 32 minutes ago
          I see - sorry I couldn’t tell. There are a lot of lunatics out there.