Nvidia's Risky Business

(stratechery.com)

73 points | by jonbaer 4 hours ago

5 comments

  • jcfrei 1 minute ago
    In many investment theses - like Nvidia's bet that demand for compute will keep growing - the first order assumption is usually correct. Yes, demand for more compute, chips, infrastructure is huge and it will also most likely keep growing. Where such investment bets usually fail is in the second-order assumptions: Ie. the expectation of the growth of demand. This is where there's a high chance that the current expectations are likely exaggerated. So: demand is likely to grow for the foreseeable future - but not as much as expected. And that can upend the whole investment story. That can be enough to make these bonds a huge burden for Nvidia in the end. Not because people stopped buying more compute but because they stopped buying more every year.
  • tolugenius 1 hour ago
    More interesting take on Nvidia's position than I've come across before. One thing to be noted is 1) Nvidia is already making moves in robotics so even if their position in AI (moreso llms) diminished, they certainly have another big avenue arguably harder to just get into (although I'm not sure what efforts Google is doing for the tpu in robotics). Another point is Nvidia is still the main player in the west, that is, China certainly can and will create their own full stack without reliance on US companies. That puts Europe and other countries in an interesting, do you buy Nvidia because it's the only option or for security. That's to say I believe Nvidia's position relied on many different things being true at the same time, and we're moving towards an environment where those things are certainly being contested at (roughly) the same time.
    • wongarsu 1 hour ago
      Even in the west, Nvidia's dominance is bound to weaken. There is a notable uptick of articles on HN about people running large models on AMD hardware. And while I don't know official sales figures, I know we have trouble getting our AMD system delivered

      AMD's software story is still a lot worse than Nvidia's. But patching up vllm to run one or two models you care about on AMD hardware is a much easier proposition than using them in most other fields of AI.

      • moralestapia 1 hour ago
        nVidia will fail right after reaching an 8 trillion valuation and supplying 80% of the world's hardware!

        Trust me guys, it's over!

      • ekianjo 25 minutes ago
        amd is not putting nearly enough effort to improve their software its almost suspicious
    • spwa4 31 minutes ago
      Google has their robotics models, for example:

      https://deepmind.google/models/gemini-robotics/

      Google is mostly the party behind the whole VLA principle.

  • Erikun 21 minutes ago
    I see we have reached the stock market phase of Universal Paperclips.
  • RustaIsBest 1 hour ago
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    • cmpxchg8b 53 minutes ago
      That has literally nothing to do with the article.
    • mgrunwald_ 24 minutes ago
      Nice trolling.
  • u1hcw9nx 1 hour ago
    Ever free newsletter and talking head spouts narratives like this free. If you want something that quantifies and gives actionable information, you must do it yourself or pay for it. What are your below $2000/month sources for good analysis?
    • tguedes 59 minutes ago
      The website from this article. It's not free. Ben Thompson releases 1 free article a week but the other 3 articles published each week requires a $15/month subscription. Ben Thompson is also very influential in Silicon Valley and the overall tech/media industry.
      • u1hcw9nx 43 minutes ago
        I know him, I subscribed for a while. Even his paid content is lacking. I'm looking more Valens Research kind of analysis. SemiAnalysis is also good in the higher tier.

        ps. Being influential in Silicon Valley just means you are influential, it does not mean substantial. Leopold is still influential and gets money thrown at him at $100s of million despite having no substance.

        • kaonwarb 7 minutes ago
          Criticism with no justification behind it is cheap.
    • claytonjy 35 minutes ago
      you might be looking for SemiAnalysis? I only read the free portions of articles but they have various paid options, mostly targeting investors with information and tools.

      https://semianalysis.com/

      • flyinglizard 10 minutes ago
        To me they come across as overzealous peddlers and hacks on some market pumping mission.