Ten Ways NAS Is Getting Enshitified

(nascompares.com)

34 points | by giuliomagnifico 1 hour ago

9 comments

  • zeafoamrun 28 minutes ago
    I built my own NAS, just Ubuntu+ZFS using an old PC I had and it works great. Don't know why people are so crazy about buying prebuilt NASes.
    • fuzzy2 24 minutes ago
      Why wouldn't they be? No fiddling, super compact form factor, (usually) far superior energy efficiency, maybe phone apps, did I mention no fiddling?

      Also, the form factor!

    • mcfedr 11 minutes ago
      i did that, and really wish i bought something , mostly because i have like 4 hhds just lying in the bottom of the case
      • zeafoamrun 8 minutes ago
        My old case was a big workstation one with 10 drive bays already. Definitely preferable to having them loose
    • yjftsjthsd-h 8 minutes ago
      Maybe power efficiency?
    • sandworm101 18 minutes ago
      For me, it was laziness. While I have the skills to built one from parts, I just wanted a big drive in an aesthetically pleasing box. I didn't want a project. I wanted something small and somewhat rugged. So I got a synology 5-bay almost seven years ago and have never looked back. It lives beside my UPS and wifi router in a small tower, all objects I expect to "just work" for months on end without any attention.

      My AI rig ... that is a project. (After a kernel update, one of my GPUs has disappeared. Fixing that will be a project for my next day off.) I don't want my NAS to ever become a weekend project.

  • nubinetwork 4 minutes ago
    I didn't see them mention anything about adding features that aren't strictly about storing files... things like containers and virtual machines...
  • ksec 9 minutes ago
    I don't think it is that bad. Especially Ubnt just released their UNAS Pro. ( Although only comes with BTRFS on consumer and ZFS only on the Enterprise. )

    I still think Apple should have bring their AirPort Express and Time Capsule back. Instead they wanted everyone to be on their iCloud subscription.

  • thadt 55 minutes ago
    Given the (non-) responsiveness of the page, I’m going with they focused too much on “storage” and not enough on “network attached.”
    • solarkraft 22 minutes ago
      The website is also so hilariously enshittified that the “enshittification” text barely peeked through the ads and other popups.
    • swipee 53 minutes ago
      Haha touché! Hope it starts working soon so I can verify this statement.
  • Almondsetat 20 minutes ago
    I don't share the author's view of the OSs becoming copycats of eachother and not that specialized.

    Truth to be told, a NAS is the perfect place to have your home server. You can have both your applications and data on the same device and avoid having to build a lab just to have nextcloud or some other utility self hosted. However, to achieve this, the OS must become more similar to a normal linux distro, for better or for worse

  • trvz 25 minutes ago
    Soldered RAM being bad is an opinion, not a fact.

    I’ve seen way too many RAM slots go bad.

    Smart people always get the highest configuration in computers, unless they know they’ll never need some of the resources and can tolerate a lower option.

    • bpye 12 minutes ago
      You've seen RAM slots go bad? DIMMs can also fail!

      I'd much rather replace a bad stick than a whole motherboard/device.

      • evere 1 minute ago
        For real. Reballing a chip is hard!
    • yjftsjthsd-h 14 minutes ago
      > Smart people always get the highest configuration in computers

      Smart rich people, maybe. Have you got the money for extra RAM right now?

    • project2501a 13 minutes ago
      Not everyone lives in SanFra, my man, and can afford to throw a salary on a lab.
  • bob1029 18 minutes ago
    I've always had a relatively bad experience with NAS hardware. Not necessarily due to anything the hardware manufacturer could have done. I have lost entire enclosures to lightning strikes on more than one occasion. Everyone thinks their IT skills are hot shit until they wake up to a closet full of burned hardware in the morning. It is quite a humbling experience if you've never been through it before. There isn't any kind of semiconductor process tech, file system design or RAID configuration that can save you from this. An off-site backup is the only thing that would count, which brings me to my next point.

    These days I just store my files in S3. Whether or not this actually costs me more money becomes a very irrelevant shade of grey once I factor in the value of my time and sanity. I prefer having the capability to store and retrieve large files, not spending time maintaining this capability. This is also my "off-site" backup. I am paying for my operational NAS and its backup effectively at the same time. No one doing DIY is remotely close to 99.999999999% durability, even with all the kings horses and men put together.

    I often see this urgency with total control pushing tech people into the very systems of oppression they seek to avoid. Putting your bits in some blob storage provider like AWS is not "losing the game" unless you frame it that way in your head. You can frame it as "getting one over on the bad guys" if you are a little bit clever with how you approach the problem. You can compel Amazon host any kind of bits with a sprinkle of AES256 on the client. I've been a customer with them for over 15 years and not once have they rug pulled me. I've never seen a NAS-style solution survive that long without intervention.

    • yjftsjthsd-h 9 minutes ago
      > Everyone thinks their IT skills are hot shit until they wake up to a closet full of burned hardware in the morning. It is quite a humbling experience if you've never been through it before.

      > I've been a customer with them for over 15 years and not once have they rug pulled me.

      I actually tend to agree with the thrust of your argument, but how is your view of getting your account banned different than others' view of managing a NAS?

    • stavros 13 minutes ago
      I have a NAS at home with ZFS snapshots and nightly offsite backups. What's so hard about that, or how is it less durable than your S3 solution?
      • bob1029 12 minutes ago
        How much do you pay for offsite backups? How durable are they?
  • miladyincontrol 18 minutes ago
    > Software Homogenization and Interface Uniformity

    While I do prefer the DIY route, I'd struggle to call that "enshitified". Vensors consolidated around solutions because they work reliably, without reinventing the wheel. I'd much rather a NAS be a lightweight wrapper around a proven and easily maintained base than try to over extend themselves and jerry-rig some abomination.

    And for customers who rely on them it means they can shift brands and still feel basically just at home.

  • iamshs 10 minutes ago
    Expensive drives have become such a pain. Maybe five years from now, if supply meets demand, I just wish I can afford a 1PB all-flash NAS. I really don't want to hear noise and I wish data centres would release their used supply on market. I will put backup on HDDs.

    Soldered RAM and novel format hardware is a pain point. Macbook storage upgrade needs special custom hardware. Synology still doesn't allow third party HDDs in their extension units. NAS devices are truly a fantastic category on its own. My data remains local, while also allowing me to use it as a server for my workloads.