Considering other metrics then p99 for user impact is unwise. All users will at some point experience a <1% request, it's not like half of all users will only send requests what will be under your median latency, some of their requests will hit your worst-case.
By focusing on the tail and optimizing worst cases you help users more than by improving your median latency.
Interesting you work at Amazon and show how end user experience weights to their pessimal experience.
So.. apply that to Amazon design heuristics like author name search on books, and how Amazon return "in the style of" and "not a book but this guy called Charles Dickens makes jigsaws" as high order matches and consider how the end user experience weights to the pessimal yet Amazon can show on average they make more money doing this..
(Understood that engineers and AWS don't influence UX in the storefront or search)
Comments like these seem likely to discourage authors from making more interesting posts about niche topics they specialize in, without actually moving the needle on stuff the commenter is pestering about.
I've grown to dislike the typical tail measurements completely. What I usually look at these days is what share of unique users experience an "unacceptable experience" over a measurement period instead.
I find it much more inquisitive and visceral, to the extent that p99 now boggles my mind. 2N would be dreadful as an availability figure, yet for UX it's treated very different. So much so that my measurements corroborate exactly that; good UX requires the same many-nines reliability as e.g. DCs, not one or two.
I wonder if it's p90 and p99 to blame for the shoddy services we have, in a way. It's pretty hard to argue for fixing something when it's presented as only going wrong 0.5% or less of the time after all. Even if at scale that means most of your users are experiencing it weekly.
How does one measure unique users here in a way different from classic p99? I usually associate p99 with an SLO of some kind, and each request as a "unique user" for the service, so at first it seems like the same thing - measuring p99 with a SLO would say 1% of users are allowed to experience a time longer than our acceptable minimum T, and you're measuring the percentage of requests ("users") experiencing T and trying to keep it below 1% (e.g.).
Is the difference more about measuring a request "across services"? That is, the total cumulative p99 across services must be small i.e. linking all requests to a user and then measuring that? Or is the difference elsewhere?
If the former: are you taking traces and graphing that? What's your methodology?
Yes I found this very hard to follow. I appreciate expressing ideas in math like E_a[X] as much as the next guy, but there is no definition or even description of what the heck E or E_a or Var(x) even mean, so how is anyone supposed to understand the reasoning here? All I get from this is a claim that experienced latency is different than the mean, which sounds important, but I still have no intuition as to why this is. Which is sad, because Booker's blog is often deeply amazing.
E[X^2] weights each time with the time, giving the square, and the E[X] in the denominator is the normalisation factor (also required to fix the dimensions).
Say that there are to different waiting times 1s and 3s, and they happen with probability 50% each. The average waiting time (1/2 1+1/2 3) is 2s. However, 75% of the time we are waiting on a 3s event and only 25% on a 1s event. The weighted average is 2.5s. E[X^2]=1/2 1+1/2 9=5(s^2) is not the right answer, it still has to be divided by E[X]=2(s) to get the correct answer.
By focusing on the tail and optimizing worst cases you help users more than by improving your median latency.
So.. apply that to Amazon design heuristics like author name search on books, and how Amazon return "in the style of" and "not a book but this guy called Charles Dickens makes jigsaws" as high order matches and consider how the end user experience weights to the pessimal yet Amazon can show on average they make more money doing this..
(Understood that engineers and AWS don't influence UX in the storefront or search)
I find it much more inquisitive and visceral, to the extent that p99 now boggles my mind. 2N would be dreadful as an availability figure, yet for UX it's treated very different. So much so that my measurements corroborate exactly that; good UX requires the same many-nines reliability as e.g. DCs, not one or two.
I wonder if it's p90 and p99 to blame for the shoddy services we have, in a way. It's pretty hard to argue for fixing something when it's presented as only going wrong 0.5% or less of the time after all. Even if at scale that means most of your users are experiencing it weekly.
Is the difference more about measuring a request "across services"? That is, the total cumulative p99 across services must be small i.e. linking all requests to a user and then measuring that? Or is the difference elsewhere?
If the former: are you taking traces and graphing that? What's your methodology?
I'm pretty sure what the author is saying is:
E(X) =:= \sum_t(t * P(X = t)) is the definition
another important note is P(X^2 = t^2) = P(X = t) - because it's the same distribution.
E_a(X) is a bit sloppy, but consider X_a aka Alice's latency "experience" distribution. The argument is:
P(X_a = t) = t * P(X = t) / \sum_u(u * P(X = u)) - i.e. scale the probability up by t but make it sum to 1.
Then
E(X_a) = \sum_t(t * P(X_a = t)) = \sum_t(t * t * P(X = t) / \sum_u(u * P(X = u))
aka
E(X^2) / E(X)
Then (from wikipedia)
Var(X) = E(X^2) - (E(X))^2
And we get
E(X_a) = (Var(X) + (E(X))^2) / E(X) = E(X) + Var(X) / E(X)
Say that there are to different waiting times 1s and 3s, and they happen with probability 50% each. The average waiting time (1/2 1+1/2 3) is 2s. However, 75% of the time we are waiting on a 3s event and only 25% on a 1s event. The weighted average is 2.5s. E[X^2]=1/2 1+1/2 9=5(s^2) is not the right answer, it still has to be divided by E[X]=2(s) to get the correct answer.