6 comments

  • Dylan16807 52 minutes ago
    > I find it interesting to consider that if you pick a value at random, it will usually fail! That is, most 64-bit integers cannot be written as the product of two 32-bit integers.

    While I find the 17% number interesting to think about, "most" is far less interesting. Multiplication doesn't care about order so you're instantly cutting 2^64 possibilities down to about 2^63. That's a hair's breadth away from "most" already, and considering even a tiny amount of overlapping results gets you there.

    What gets interesting is actually trying to quantify the overlapping results.

    • danbruc 43 minutes ago
      All the primes above 2^32 are out, but that accounts for only two point something percent.
    • adgjlsfhk1 46 minutes ago
      A lot of the remaining is multiples of 4, which you can either get from having a 2 in both factors or a 4 in one (multiples of 9 are similar).
    • PaulHoule 44 minutes ago
      ... or just considering the even numbers almost all of them are 2 x N where N>2^32 and that gets you to within a hair of "most" and if you add in the odd thirds for which the same is true you get a bound of 2/3 - epsilon.
  • da_chicken 14 minutes ago
    This feels like a underlying property that contributes to of Benford's Law[0]. That is, most numbers we measure and record are the results of various independent (addition) and dependent (multiplication) factors stacking together, and we observe this property in the distribution of them.

    [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benford%27s_law

  • pants2 57 minutes ago
    I dream of a future where all 64-bit integers are products of 32-bit integers. Together, we can change math for the better.
    • jihadjihad 22 minutes ago
      Why stop there? We can dream of a future where math is bent to our will [0] for the betterment of all mankind!

      0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_pi_bill

    • brookst 3 minutes ago
      There should be a law!
    • dvh 15 minutes ago
      1 + 1 = 3 (for sufficiently large values of 1)
    • kleiba2 30 minutes ago
      I upvoted you, not because I think your joke is particularly great, but I hate that HN has this tendency to downvote comments that are clearly meant as a humorous contribution. And I get it, no-one wants HN to turn into Reddit. I also understand that not every joke lands. But I just think it's unnecessary to downvote, you could simply ignore.
      • zamadatix 25 minutes ago
        "Ignore" is one of those things that sounds like it's a neutral choice but really isn't in practice - it's still just saying "can only ever be positively pressured". IMO people shouldn't go as far as flag though, at the very least, and if it's already at the bottom of the sort there is no sense dumping on it further.

        My current comment itself, for instance, also doesn't really add anything to the discussion about the article and I'd have no expectation people leave it from going negative. Maybe the will, maybe they won't, but there is no reason to expect they should in principle of me loving tangents :D.

  • henry2023 26 minutes ago
    There are about 4 billion more 64 bit integers than 32 bit integers.

    The chance of a random 64 bit integer being a 32 bit integer is 0.0000000233 %

    The chance of a random 64 bit integer being a product of two 32 bit integers is 17%

    Nice

    • HWR_14 21 minutes ago
      There are about 18.446 quintillion more 64-bit integers than 32-bit integers.
    • brookst 4 minutes ago
      Or, the odds of a random 64-bit integer being a 32-bit integer are the same as you or me guessing a random 32 bit integer.
    • layer8 8 minutes ago
      The chance of a random 64-bit integer matching some pair of 32-bit integers is a 100%, though.
  • nyeah 42 minutes ago
    At the upper end you burn through the dynamic range pretty quickly. Largest eight products of 8-bit fixed-point numbers:

      {255 through 226 not used}   15 \* 15 = 225 
      {224 through 211 not used}  15 \* 14 = 14 \* 15 = 210 
      {197 through 209 not used}  15 \* 13 = 13 \* 15 = 195    
      14 \* 14 = 196
      {183 through 194 not used}   14 \* 13 = 13 \* 14 = 182
    
    Toy example. Of course with 32-bit factors you skip way more 64-bit numbers.
  • MarkusQ 23 minutes ago
    If this seems counterintuitive, consider that only about a third of the two-digit numbers ({0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 14, 15, 16, 18, 20, 21, 24, 25, 27, 28, 30, 32, 35, 36, 40, 42, 45, 48, 49, 54, 56, 63, 64, 72, 81}) can be written as the product of two one-digit numbers.