A HN post with negative points – how?

(news.ycombinator.com)

33 points | by donohoe 2 hours ago

9 comments

  • 1970-01-01 0 minutes ago
    Bots. I've posted many popular and unpopular takes here. Down always comes first, and as the bot votes evap into the ether, the true human take is almost always revealed after an hour or two.
  • nomilk 31 minutes ago
    When I click on 'A HN post with negative points – how?' from the HN homepage (currently ranked 12 for me), it goes to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48104663 instead of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48106316 (I found the latter via google search for the title string)

    I suspect the same is happening for some others too, based on the comments on that article.

    Bizarre!

    Update: 2 minutes later and the link from the hn home page now correctly leads to: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48106316

    Never seen that happen before.

    • sebastianmestre 24 minutes ago
      This post you are commenting on (*6316) is a link post that points to the other one (*4663)

      The normal behavior for link posts in HN is that the title takes you to the link address, not to the post address.

      To enter the post address, you need to hit the "discuss"/"x comments" button.

      So, what you describe is HN working as expected AFAICT, it's just a bit counterintuitive because it's an HN post linking to another, which is uncommon

  • OuterVale 47 minutes ago
    Original poster of the thread here.

    Doesn't appear to be negative anymore, but here is what it looked like: https://vale.rocks/micros/20260512-0652

    Screenshot was taken at 06:50 UTC.

    • Imustaskforhelp 43 minutes ago
      Do you have any idea on what caused it?

      https://news.social-protocols.org/stats?id=48104663

      This seems to have gone to -10 and then went up according to this, which matches what your comment had said that you were seeing -10 on your android.

      Edit: (actually it had gone all the way to -15) and seems that this website has been still stuck at -8 upvotes at the moment of this comment and this link has also been the proof for me to finally see/confirm this as the submission now has positive upvotes.

      • OuterVale 27 minutes ago
        It is hardly a satisfying answer, but I haven't the foggiest what caused it. I submitted it the same as I've submitted many other submissions in the past.
    • aaron695 4 minutes ago
      [dead]
  • Bender 31 minutes ago
    Someone should email dang as that would be a bug or a fundamental design change or a site compromise. hn@ycombinator.com
  • notepad0x90 6 minutes ago
    Karma systems in general are opaque. The assumed or advertised behavior is never fully accurate, if it was, it would be all too easy to game.
  • paulnpace 48 minutes ago
    HN has the oddest karma system. I've seen submissions get 3 upvotes in the first minute and never another upvote.
    • helsinkiandrew 42 minutes ago
      > I've seen submissions get 3 upvotes in the first minute and never another upvote.

      Is that people looking at the new page and seeing/upvoting your post and then it falls off the front.

  • helsinkiandrew 59 minutes ago
    Now upvoted, but it was negative
  • rzmmm 57 minutes ago
    HN has downvotes but you need to have enough karma to access the feature.
    • tux3 52 minutes ago
      Downvotes on comments need a little bit of karma. Now downvotes on submissions, those are not normally doable by random users.
      • GaryBluto 45 minutes ago
        Perhaps some kind of auto-downranking system used for moderation of specific topics or thigns (without explicitly removing them) that accidentally targeted said post? Just idle speculation.
      • Unai 14 minutes ago
        That's correct AFAIK, submissions can't be downvoted.

        If anyone's interested, here's a list of undocumented HN features/rules (although I don't know how up to date it is): https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented

      • bryanrasmussen 47 minutes ago
        right, I have reasonably high karma and I can't downvote submissions, although I can flag them.
      • Imustaskforhelp 46 minutes ago
        Yea you can't downvote submissions.

        Now, the post linked itself has been upvoted so it doesn't have negative submissions but it seems to have had been the case.

        I don't quite understand how posts can have negative points :-/

        A hunch but maybe a post which got confused as comment id of some other comment which got downvoted so you had negative karma, but I am unsure of this spooky action at a distance. It would be really interesting to know the reason behind it.

  • hrak0 54 minutes ago
    Behold: my account has -1 karma.
    • ramon156 34 minutes ago
      -5 now! Made it -4 for you

      Although negative profiles have always been a thing.

      You cannot easily downvote submissions, in fact I'm not even sure if you can.