3 comments

  • zuzululu 1 hour ago
    Ages ago I used php-nuke to manage my forum and it got hacked and I thought it would get taken seriously

    Seeing these CPanel hacks remind me how old these codebases are and how much more vulnerability remain

    • dainiusse 56 minutes ago
      I don't agree that "old" necessarily implies vulnerability.
      • pixl97 34 minutes ago
        I mostly disagree on your disagreement unless the entire project was based on top security practices and good code in the first place. The vast majority of these web panels are a security nightmare.
        • omnimus 29 minutes ago
          These PHP systems be it cPanel, wordpress or PHP itself are most likely the biggest target besides windows. It's incredibly uncool stack especially here but it is running most of the "independent" small web.

          They cannot be that bad if they are managing to be ductape of the internet.

          • hvb2 16 minutes ago
            > They cannot be that bad if they are managing to be ductape of the internet.

            I think there are just a whole lot of tools written for them. So non devs can spin things up and click some things together.

            Is that safe and secure? Maybe, if the devs did their work well. But I'm positive no one reads the docs on how to configure something securely.

            I think the real reason is that it's very cheap to host, and always has been

          • anamexis 20 minutes ago
            How does that follow?
          • ChocolateGod 7 minutes ago
            [delayed]
    • TZubiri 44 minutes ago
      The concept of a GUI wrapper on top of the Linux ecosystem is what's broken.

      Not because of a fundamental limitation of that architecture, but because in practice the type of people that will use it do not want to learn or develop the necessary skills to administer it, and critical information like man pages and parameter lists are hidden.

      You can't take shortcuts without consequences.

  • anonzzzies 1 hour ago
    CPanel and hosters who use them are in big trouble now; there are millions of servers running them, many of them for decades. Their clients can run code as an user without much sandboxing/guardrails at all.
    • breakingcups 53 minutes ago
      Such a different era.
      • omnimus 28 minutes ago
        If you look at the usage numbers, you could argue we are still in that era.
      • addedGone 7 minutes ago
        I miss this era, we overcomplicated everything
  • operatingthetan 1 hour ago
    People are still using cpanel?
    • kiritanpo 1 hour ago
      Most shared hosting plans use cpanel. It's still widely used yes for a lot of smaller websites.
      • dawnerd 13 minutes ago
        And even if it doesn’t look like it chances are it still is with a fancier ui on top.
      • ilia-a 38 minutes ago
        I wonder how much shared hosting is there really left, I imagine much of it move to VPS or cheap cloud boxes.
        • omnimus 26 minutes ago
          I highly doubt that. It's giant market and with these custom small sites made by third parties you actually want to have client owned hosting and third parties who deploy to that hosting. Clients have learned to separate these otherwise the third party can have huge leverage (your business and all data is ours).
    • xp84 1 hour ago
      There are a lot of things that have been up for decades. The ROI on moving a simple PHP or static website to new hosting situation hasn’t been that compelling… though that could change. Thing is, I suspect most users of shared hosting which is Cpanel’s bread and butter are not reading the latest cybersecurity news.
      • TZubiri 43 minutes ago
        The ROI has just increased by like 10x or 100x this week.
    • ramesh31 1 hour ago
      CPanel on shared hosting running WordPress PHP is literally half of the entire internet still.
      • whatsupdog 1 hour ago
        Half of the entire internet is Meta properties.
        • fmbb 54 minutes ago
          That’s the other half.

          Coincidentally also PHP.

          • Shish2k 5 minutes ago
            Facebook started out PHP; but they ship-of-theseus'ed it into Hack by replacing the standard library, the language, and the runtime engine, so now it's a totally different thing with only a few superficial similarities (FWIW IMO Hack is much better than PHP, I'm sad that it never gained traction...)