The USB Situation

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27 points | by herbertl 2 days ago

6 comments

  • jonplackett 55 minutes ago
    It would help if computers / phones had an easy way to just identify a cable when you plug it in. Is this hard to do or just something normal people never care about?
  • userbinator 1 hour ago
    In an alternate world, Ethernet took on the role of the universal serial bus, and we have laptops that charge via PoE, but only possible on one of their ports (the others are usable for peripherals --- with protocols running over Ethernet too, of course.) But the same confusion regarding power and speed capabilities exists.
    • dale_glass 54 minutes ago
      We'd have to invent a new connector first. It's too thick for modern laptops, not to speak of cell phones.

      Also, RJ45 is terribly fragile if you keep plugging and unplugging it, eventually that latch will break. And copper can barely support 10G and is terribly power hungry when it does that. And the cables get thick and inflexible.

  • applfanboysbgon 1 minute ago
    > The USB situation.

    > The lie.

    > The gap.

    > The names.

    > The age.

    > The trap.

    > The buy.

    Fucking LLMs have literally ruined the word "the" for me.

  • isodev 1 hour ago
    And on top of that, Apple has that thing where only some devices can charge from their adapters. I have a special adapter just for non-Apple things because the white bricks (despite the usb-c) sometimes just refuse to give power to things. So frustrating.
    • Filligree 58 minutes ago
      Mostly, that's non-compliant devices. Doesn't make it work any better, but I wouldn't assume Apple is doing it wrong here.

      USB-C ports aren't allowed to provide power until after configuration, but a lot of USB-C chargers provide 5V regardless. This is wrong, but it does mean you can use a dumb C-to-micro cable which doesn't include the necessary electronics. (A pull-down resistor at least.)

      And of course there's no way to tell by the looks of the cable.

      • isodev 8 minutes ago
        > This is wrong

        I understand the technical reasons behind it, but in this case - the actual expectation is to be able to use usb-c to charge other gadgets.

      • josephg 19 minutes ago
        Yeah this is right. I bought a cheap wireless mouse, with a USB-C port for charging. None of the USB-C chargers in my house would charge it, so after awhile it inevitably went flat and I took it back to the shop - since it was faulty.

        The guy in the shop plugged it in to a USB-A port via a cheap A-to-C cable, and the mouse immediately came to life. Of course. I felt like an idiot.

        I didn't get a faulty unit. Whoever designed the mouse was treating the USB-C plug like a newer micro-usb port. The mouse just expected 5V over the port. They clearly didn't bother testing it with a proper USB-C charger.

        I returned it anyway and got a mouse that wasn't broken.

    • dijit 15 minutes ago
      Whaaaaaaaaat?!

      Apple, somewhat famously, build their power adapters incredibly well.

      If they’re not charging something my default assumption will be: that thing doesn’t support PD.

      https://youtu.be/SUlNKYI07SY?is=sJ2ICaXwxCsBJiXA

      https://youtu.be/rwEh4jsVew0?is=NeRD7hAk-6KABAyc

      • SyneRyder 5 minutes ago
        I've run into problems with Apple chargers not charging my Lenovo laptop. (I used to be an Apple fanboy, but after a MacBook Pro that required 6 repairs, I switched to Lenovo).

        I've been much happier since switching to Anker chargers, works much better with my Lenovo and drastically more portable than the Apple ones. It's better able to fit certain situations where the Apple brick won't fit into sockets that are close to the ground / desk, at least not without a bulky extension cable.

        A bit of snark, but don't forget the Apple charger recall:

        https://support.apple.com/ac-wallplug-adapter

        (That said, I do think Apple's chargers were designed far better than most, and I loved that they put so much design thought into the world travel kit. Anker doesn't have the interchangeable heads, but it turns out their chargers are multi-region and a simple adapter head does the job just as well, in a smaller form factor than the Apple bricks. I still somewhat miss Magsafe as well, Magsafe 1 was excellent.)

      • isodev 7 minutes ago
        Your blind trust in Apple is misplaced :)
  • sandworm101 2 hours ago
    Yup. I have a work laptop that is meant to charge via USB ... But only one of the two ports will charge ... They are right beside each other! An evil trick at the office is to move someone's USB cable from one port to the other.
    • benj111 1 hour ago
      Of course there's also the issue of whether your cable is suitable and your charger suitable too.

      We appear to have taken a good idea and made it shit very quickly.

    • i_am_a_peasant 1 hour ago
      thinkpad?
  • amelius 1 hour ago
    Just switch to a different brand then.
    • josephg 19 minutes ago
      Are other brands any better?