Iliad fragment found in Roman-era mummy

(thehistoryblog.com)

78 points | by wise_blood 2 days ago

6 comments

  • ajxs 2 hours ago
    In case anyone doesn't know, Oxyrhynchus is a major source of archaeological discoveries. Particularly ancient (Ptolemaic/Roman Egypt) papyrus fragments recovered from an ancient landfill on the outskirts of the city. Notably some of the earliest-known Christian textual artefacts were found there (the actual earliest fragments came from elsewhere in Egypt). It turns out that Egypt's hot and dry climate provides the perfect environment for their long-term preservation.
    • thaumasiotes 1 hour ago
      > It turns out that Egypt's hot and dry climate provides the perfect environment for their long-term preservation.

      Cold and dry would be just as good. It's the dryness that matters.

      • vlovich123 48 minutes ago
        heat speeds up oxidation/ accelerates reactions but also decreases relative humidity for a constant moisture constant.
  • staplung 23 minutes ago
    Sadly, the article says nothing about how old the fragment is or how it compares to other early copies of the Iliad. Somewhat amazingly, the earliest complete copy of the Iliad is from around 950 C.E.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetus_A

  • caycep 4 minutes ago
    for some reason this read like the "Headless Body in a Topless Bar" headline...maybe the antiquities equivalent
  • notorandit 1 hour ago
    I Hope more and more fragments of anything lost is found.

    The burn down of Alexandria library was a pity

    • bluGill 56 minutes ago
    • jmyeet 1 hour ago
      This is a common refrain but in reality I'm not sure it made much difference. Papyrus just doesn't age well and most manuscripts from this era would've been on papyrus.

      What really decided what texts survived and what didn't was monastic traditions in in the Dark Ages and Middle Ages [1]. At this time, a monk might spend their entire life transcribing a particularly long manuscript. The materials were also expensive. So monasteries were selective in what got retain and unsurprisingly it skewed heavily to texts of religious significance and then to texts of significance to, say, Roman and Greek tradition and history given that monasteries were European.

      [1]: https://spokenpast.com/articles/medieval-monks-erased-preser...

      • jrumbut 1 minute ago
        It was a little before that even.

        Greek was the language of most fields of learning besides law in the Roman Empire. But the Greeks themselves wrote works on these papyrus scrolls that crumbled fast, so anything not actively used by the Romans was quickly lost.

        There's a good chance that if the papyrus scrolls in any library (Alexandria or otherwise) weren't being copied regularly they were crumbling even before they burned or were lost to time for other reasons.

        Towards the end of the Roman Empire, a few philosophers took the time to transmit Greek knowledge in Latin as knowledge of Greek faded in western Europe. What these guys happened to translate was the basis of most of European learning in philosophy, math, and other fields for centuries.

      • nonethewiser 57 minutes ago
        Thanks for sharing. Maybe not as common as you think. I never heard that before.
  • horsh1 45 minutes ago
    So why would they bury a man with a book?
    • AlexeyBrin 5 minutes ago
      Many cultures bury their dead with objects that the person enjoyed during their lifetime.

      This is present even today, I saw a burial in Eastern Europe where the parents put a game of chess and toys in the coffin. While it will do no good to the deceased my theory is that it is a way for the living to deal with the loss.

    • nextaccountic 19 minutes ago
      Maybe he liked that book? Not different from modern day burials

      https://notebookofghosts.com/2016/11/21/a-list-of-weird-thin...

    • callamdelaney 27 minutes ago
      Maybe it's more like how they used to wrap fish and chips in newspaper
    • quantummagic 34 minutes ago
      Why do we bury men in a suit?
  • lostlogin 46 minutes ago
    Imagine digging in that material. Tunnelling that out would be awful.